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i think roughly 90% of the people who collect files don't even know what they have and i'm willing to bet that over 50% of those people haven't actually loaded more than 20~30 games in an emulator. Heh, you'd be surprised.personally i wouldn't, but you'd be surprised of the amount of people i see on irc who are trying to find each and every file we have in our dats. > And why do you have got 346 copies of Super Mario World ? No one Here's an excerpt from a mail Grendel sent me, because I asked him if he could clean the tosec dats: Identifying/Renaming - why do people collect TOSEC? \ resxto on 3rd April 2007, 09:22 wrote: Why isn't there a similar alternative to TOSEC, and should someone do the minimal effort it takes to reprocess TOSEC sets with all the junk left out?
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My point is, at least now there is an alternative to GoodTools with No-Intro, and I think newbs out there are starting to understand what it is and why they should download it instead. Whatever the reason, I don't think many of us can argue that they are doing a service to the community that is useful in some way (e.g., identifying roms that are crap so people won't submit them). We could probably debate for a long time whether or not the lack of educating the public is elitist (Cowering is too 1337 to explain stuff to n3wBz), whether TOSEC and Cowering are afraid of their "audience" decreasing (seriously, if you spend this much time dumping roms in your basement you better be doing it for yourself), etc. Then again, no one else is very explicit either (other than the No-Intro page, which isn't really much of a tutorial for your average newb). Doing so would vastly reduce their userbase, because if all you do is mindlessly collect, you are content with either either db so long as you remain ignorant to their problems.True, TOSEC and Cowering are not explicit about explaining what their tools are meant to do.
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The rationale behind including bad dumps and user modifications for identification purposes is full of holes to begin with, but Cowering and TOSEC can easily blame the user for their continued distribution and collection by simply not educating them. Identifying/Renaming - why do people collect TOSEC? \ FitzRoy on 3rd April 2007, 08:03 wrote:ĭo you see any statements on TOSEC's website saying anything of the sort? Even when newbs find out what all those tags mean, it takes a higher order of thinking to understand the futility of trying to complete something which can be infinitely created.
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Has this been proposed before? Would TOSEC maintainers be pissed if someone just filtered out the crap in TOSEC and made new dats (with full credit of course) so that people could download only useful stuff? TOSEC could still coexist (much like GoodSets do) as an identification tool. But in the 1% effort case you could write a script that simply filters out all the crap roms from TOSEC so that people could focus on collecting playable, useful roms (or the best copy of a given rom), which would save everyone a lot of time and bandwidth. Why haven't people woken up to the fact that TOSEC is just for identification, and not collection? For collecting, it seems you would in the extreme case go the route of No-Intro (redumping, verifying, etc) in reprocessing TOSEC sets. So it makes sense to me to focus on No-Intro sets instead, and let GoodSets be a tool to datters and dumpers. Really, the purpose of GoodSets are to identify garbage, not collect it. When I looked into No-Intro sets I quickly realized that GoodSets are composed mainly of garbage. Like I've heard stated here before, GoodSets are like the plague, and chances are most novice collectors start with those.
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I'm relatively new to this scene, and I've been trying to amass a collection and understand what are the pros and cons of various sets.
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Identifying/Renaming - why do people collect TOSEC? \ daishadar on 3rd April 2007, 07:06 wrote: